The Renegade获得过Wrestling Observer Newsletter awards的Worst Wrestler (1995) 奖项。
http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/pictures/r/renegade/02.jpg
另外看看The Renegade的WCW比赛生涯，他唯一正式跟DUNGEON OF DOOM的比赛就是1995年11月6日的NITRO对抗DUNGEON OF DOOM的TASTMASTER，那场比赛被JIMMY HART背叛了，不能说他在那剧情中有多重要，也就是个龙套，乱战的时候出来救救HOGAN的保镖而已。起初他的角色还是有点绰头的，HOGAN说会给大家一个“Ultimate surprise”，大家都以为Ultimate Warrior即将来到WCW，原来只是Ultimate Warrior的翻版而已。
March 19, 1995 – Uncensored: Renegade was billed as Hulk Hogans “Ultimate surprise”, hinting that Ultimate Warrior would show up..
~~~Instead, fans were surprised with a ripoff of the Ultimate Warrior gimmick – played by Indy wrestler Richard Williams..
June 18, 1995 – Great American Bash: The Renegade defeated Arn Anderson to win the WCW Television title..
July 16, 1995 – Bash At The Beach: The Renegade defeated “Mr. Wonderful” Paul Orndorff to retain the TV title..
August 4, 1995 – Clash of the Champions: The Renegade defeated “Mr. Wonderful” Paul Orndorff to retain the TV title..
September 17, 1995 – Fall Brawl: Diamond Dallas Page defeated The Renegade to capture the Television title..
October 29, 1995 – Halloween Havoc: “Mr Wonderful” Paul Orndorff defeated The Renegade in a dark match..
November 6, 1995 – Nitro: Kevin Sullivan defeated The Renegade..
February 26, 1996 – Nitro: Lex Luger defeated The Renegade..
July 1, 1996 – Nitro: The Four Horsemen beat The RockNRoll Express & Joe Gomez & The Renegade..
August 10, 1996 – Hog Wild: Diamond Dallas Page defeated The Renegade in a dark match..
August 12, 1996 – Nitro: Diamond Dallas Page defeate The Renegade..
October 7, 1996 – Nitro: Arn Anderson defeated The Renegade..
November 24, 1996 – World War III: The Renegade participated in the 3-ring Battle Royal, which was won by the Giant..
December 2, 1996 – Nitro: Amazing French Canadiens defeated The Renegade & Joe Gomez..
December 9, 1996 – Nitro: Hugh Morris defeated The Renegade..
January 21, 1997 – Clash of the Champions: Harlem Heat defeated The Renegade & Joe Gomez..
February 3, 1997 – Nitro: Diamond Dallas Page defeated The Renegade..
March 17, 1997 – Nitro: Konnan & Hugh Morrus defeated The Renegade & Joe Gomez..
November 23, 1997 – World War III: The Renegade participated in the 3-ring Battle Royal, which was won by Scott Hall..
March 24, 1997 – Nitro: Jim Duggan defeated The Renegade..
February 23, 1998 – Nitro: World Television Champion Booker T defeated The Renegade..
March 23, 1998 – Nitro: Bill Goldberg defeated The Renegade..
September 14, 1998 – Nitro: Wrath defeated The Renegade..
November 22, 1998 – World War III: The Renegade participated in the 3-ring Battle Royal, which was won by Kevin Nash..
December 7, 1998 – Nitro: Wrath defeated The Renegade..
February 23, 1999: Rick Williams committed suicide by gunshot, at the age of 33..
本帖最后由 loiblu 于 2013-4-8 23:45 编辑
没错，The Renegade正是Ultimate Warrior的翻版。在WCW强手林立，壁垒分明的“帮派”里，不少明星也确实很难出入头地的。那时候的Steve Austin不是去了WWE联盟後才逐渐的走势凌厉，终成一代王者的麽？同样，Ultimate Warrior亦有声望下滑的一天，到了90年代中期他都差不多跌到了二线的位置去了。
至于，伱説到“体力，臂力”的“分佈圖”，大家都知道這本身就是一個阖家歡的節目，能够取悦观众，提高该娱樂節目的收视率就足够了。哪管主持人怎麽喷，到了後期還拉上了當紅的“蜡笔小新”去配音呢。遥想當日，ATV的主持人還插科打诨的配上一些選手富有意思的“花名”和搞怪的中文摔角招数名称呢，那情形就跟現在國内的摔角主持人帮選手們编上中文名字的性质應该是大同小异的。至于；它是否“乱来”，则是仁者见仁智者见智了。/:lol
loiblu 发表于 2013-4-8 23:19 static/image/common/back.gif
没错，The Renegade正是Ultimate Warrior的翻版。在WCW强手林立，壁垒分明的“帮派”里，不少明星也确实很难 ...
ATV的翻译虽然有些是乱来，至少听起来还是比较顺口溜的。
说回HOGAN / DUNGEON OF DOOM剧情，Bash at the Beach 95可以说是剧情的第一次高潮，然后才到FALL BRAWL。
http://www.19977.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=107329&highlight=
DerbySlam 发表于 2013-4-8 23:22 static/image/common/back.gif
ATV的翻译虽然有些是乱来，至少听起来还是比较顺口溜的。
说回HOGAN / DUNGEON OF DOOM剧情，Bash at...
Well，當年的ATV好像搞了個类似排名甚麽的，hogan,Vader,Ric，筋肉人沙维治（已故），魔蝎史丁，野人Mero。。。後来的王者：Steve Austin估计他连前十五名亦未必排得进去。您還能指望“老不死”Hogan那个所谓的“秘密武器”能排到第幾名去（給予力捧）？
謝謝您的视频，经典的東西值得分享回顾。/:)
loiblu 发表于 2013-4-8 23:42 static/image/common/back.gif
Well，當年的ATV好像搞了個类似排名甚麽的，hogan,Vader,Ric，筋肉人沙维治（已故），魔蝎史丁，野人Mero ...
其实95年前半段的主线是HOGAN跟VADER，那时候电视也管HOGAN叫正派大佬，VADER叫邪派大佬。后半段就是HOGAN跟DUNGEON OF DOOM了。
DerbySlam 发表于 2013-4-8 23:56 static/image/common/back.gif
其实95年前半段的主线是HOGAN跟VADER，那时候电视也管HOGAN叫正派大佬，VADER叫邪派大佬。后半段就是HOGA ...
温特基应该就是95年末的了，即便是一個临时的保镖打手，再怎麽説也是曾被安排到一线里面去。比起什么性感明星：女人汤丸阿力士還要红一些。
本帖最后由 最粗的戀人 于 2013-4-9 02:19 编辑
請問...
Meng是不是參戰過新日本(NJPW)阿?
並在NJPW對抗過Scott Norton(史考特.諾頓)??
最粗的戀人 发表于 2013-4-9 02:14請問...Meng是不是參戰過新日本(NJPW)阿?並在NJPW對抗過Scott Norton(史考特.諾頓)??
meng就是haku
Haku这家伙好像精通合氣道这类武术的吧？他才是真正的实力派選手。此外，我還喜欢巅峰时期的Ken Shamrock,Dan severn,Tazz这些实戰型的摔角選手。
DerbySlam 发表于 2013-4-8 22:33 static/image/common/back.gif
The Renegade获得过Wrestling Observer Newsletter awards的Worst Wrestler (1995) 奖项。
http://www. ...
奖项这玩意跟实力根本是两碼事。蛇王杰克，Vader, Dan severn等这些实力派的選手在WWE里混到了甚麽腰带头衔？Tazz，Steve Black man曾得到過洲际冠軍嗎? 拿到的還不是“猪肉”奖项。Marc Mero好像只得過一次洲际冠軍吧，就匆匆給HHH与“完美先生”骗走“了头衔。同样地，HHH要不是蝉過别枝轉戰WWE联盟，他在WCW里照样是混得不甚如意。没有观众缘或强大的後台背景，这些实力派的選手只能被公司投闲置放了...
loiblu 发表于 2013-4-9 10:33奖项这玩意跟实力根本是两碼事。蛇王杰克，Vader, Dan severn等这些实力派的選手在WWE里混到了甚麽腰带头 ...
摔角这玩意更讲求演技所谓的实力不单讲求有没打架斗实力 打斗实力能真正在摔角场上体现到吗steve black man从头到尾都是一个表情 面不改容 不管face 或者heel都没区别 哪里有感染力呢 别看hogan招式没几样 他单做一calling动作 全场观众都会热烈欢呼这些就是气场 感染力
以前那年代 洲际冠军在wwf算是很重要的冠军是通向世界冠军之路的重要跳板
这里面最可惜的其实是VADER，WWF表面上是很捧他，当时的世界冠军HBK在电视节目上对着VADER几乎每次都输，但是到了最重要的PPV冠军争夺战VADER就败下阵来。
DerbySlam 发表于 2013-4-9 12:25 static/image/common/back.gif
摔角这玩意更讲求演技所谓的实力不单讲求有没打架斗实力 打斗实力能真正在摔角场上体现到吗steve bla ...
呵呵，您説的也有一定的道理。但是！每個公司都有它的弊端与“盲點”。不是嗎？RVD与Samoa Joe在早期的WWE里打拼可以説是星光黯然，无功而返。同样；HHH与Austin如果继续呆在WCW里发展，估计到其公司倒闭也只能是個“二打六”（半红不黑）的演员角色。
再看看NWO的巅峰时期，虽然好像黑社會一般，声势浩大，但核心的只有那麽的三幾個骨干。其他成员都是跑龍套，就是拿來垫場的，跑出来混個脸熟的小角色罢了。呵呵。。。:time:
DerbySlam 发表于 2013-4-9 20:06 static/image/common/back.gif
这里面最可惜的其实是VADER，WWF表面上是很捧他，当时的世界冠军HBK在电视节目上对着VADER几乎每次都输，但 ...
這就説明了Vince根本就是一個切头切尾的大忽悠。給你高一些的薪水，讓伱去替人家做些锦上添花的苦差。魔蝎sting爲甚麽一再拒绝加盟WWE联盟。請您再看看有哪些“外來工”能在WWE上混出點名聲来？